With regard to the parallel-universes thing, the Wikipedia "Usage notes" section for "daylight savings time" is interesting! (I definitely remember learning and hearing it as "daylight savings time" or "daylight saving's time" growing up, and occasionally pondering about the grammar of the phrase which didn't really seem to make sense, although I guess you can interpret it as "time of/for daylight savings", with "savings" being a plural-form mass noun like "earnings" or "winnings".)
Re the future questions, a question to push back on an overly simplified view of voters, might be:
Thinking of a political figure that you support, does this person support one or more policies with which you strongly disagree?"
This would shed light on the question of voters balancing factors in choice to support vs choosing to support and then simply accumulating evidence in favor of the support decision.
Yes, I am one of the Standard Time fans because I am an early riser (4 a.m. most days). But I would be fine with DST being permanent as long as we don't have to change the bloody clocks twice a year!
Nice to have a little break from the rest of the constant shitshow of living under a fascist regime.
I think you need to account for geography and schedules in Daylight/Standard preference. I'm in Massachusetts, which is at the eastern edge of our timezone. The spring EST to EDT shift does move our 'clock noon' 55 minutes away from solar noon (12:55 today), but the fall shift takes us from roughtly half an hour off in one direction to half an hour off in the other. Using https://gml.noaa.gov/grad/solcalc/, I can see this is much worse for Washington DC, which ends up with a differential of over an hour, while in Detroit today, solar noon is at 1:43.
The greater strain imposed by Daylight time is no doubt real in the aggragate, but likely more stems from personal and work/school schedules than anything inherent iin what we choose to label "noon." My functional midday is about 4 pm, so for me, standard time just adds annoying light to my sleeping hours, while shifting sunset to before 5 PM. The first is accounted for in the wake up ranges, but the actual sunset depends on both how far to the north you are, and what edge of the zone you're on.
Still, since we probably can't change corporate work schedules, and morning people are (IIRC) more common, even I would be willing to settle for Standard time over the current system.
"finalizing the questions for our monthly Strength In Numbers/Verasight poll tomorrow (comment any late question suggestions here!)," Probably too late. But it would be nice to know about: Ukraine; climate specifics (windmills, charging stations, solar, nuclear, fossil fuels for poser); what people count as "woke" or "socialist" (progressive taxation, bathrooms, types of DEI). MAGA people seem to include almost anything that Democrats want, but many voters make distinctions between various forms of "social conservatism" and "economic conservatism".
I have been designing a survey on different ideologies inside the Democratic Party that will answer this in terms of attitudes Democrats hold, not necessarily in terms of perceptions though. Still useful perhaps?
Indiana is divided into two time zones: eastern and central. We are on eastern times, four miles away in the next county, they are on central time, although the county to the south is on eastern time. My county used to stay on standard time year around, and it was wonderful. That changed three Republican governors ago, when everyone was forced to do the DST shift. My body hates the shift, which requires months of adjustment. It is light until 10 in the evening in the summer. Even worse, thanks to Congress messing with it, DST now starts earlier and lasts longer. As Elliott noted, children are going to school in the dark, and more people are driving to work in the dark.
Maybe school and work times should be adjusted rather than changing the clocks.
The outdoor industry (not the camping industry) likes to push DST because they see it as a money-making opportunity, and they contribute to campaigns accordingly.
Here's a polling question that avoids, no eschews, what's really going on.
"John Sides at Good Authority shows Republicans are more likely than ever to say they support having a “strong leader” who “bends the rules” to accomplish his goals"
Trump isn't "bending the rules", he's breaking our laws!
I HATE Daylight Saving Time!!! Like our hubris when dealing with Nature we think we can just do stuff because it's easy, convenient or simply satisfies our imperial desires!
I suffer for a couple of months when DST hits ... Look at the science fools! We physically damage ourselves by defying circadian rhythms that the entire Universe is functioning on!
We think we can defy the laws of Nature with impunity ... how's that working out for our quality of life and the Planet???
It is International Women's Day here in Germany and we will not go to Daylight Saving's time until Sunday, March 29. So, where I live in Germany will be 6 hours apart for a few weeks, instead of 7.
It has to be standard time. DST is a disaster. One of the most ridiculous things any government has ever done. Hours are meant to describe the position of the sun; not an arbitrary number. We evolved with sunlight as our guide. It’s why we have a circadian rhythm. DST throws that biological reality out the window so you can pretend that it’s light out at an arbitrary hour.
Seconded. Plus, permanent DST was tried in the US in the 1970s and we switched back in less than a year. People forget that marginally more daylight in the evening means darkness in the morning until 9am (or longer).
With regard to the parallel-universes thing, the Wikipedia "Usage notes" section for "daylight savings time" is interesting! (I definitely remember learning and hearing it as "daylight savings time" or "daylight saving's time" growing up, and occasionally pondering about the grammar of the phrase which didn't really seem to make sense, although I guess you can interpret it as "time of/for daylight savings", with "savings" being a plural-form mass noun like "earnings" or "winnings".)
https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=daylight_savings_time
Re the future questions, a question to push back on an overly simplified view of voters, might be:
Thinking of a political figure that you support, does this person support one or more policies with which you strongly disagree?"
This would shed light on the question of voters balancing factors in choice to support vs choosing to support and then simply accumulating evidence in favor of the support decision.
Love this poll.
Yes, I am one of the Standard Time fans because I am an early riser (4 a.m. most days). But I would be fine with DST being permanent as long as we don't have to change the bloody clocks twice a year!
Nice to have a little break from the rest of the constant shitshow of living under a fascist regime.
Nothing about “woke 2.0” in today’s best, though it is in the subhead?
It's in the links at the bottom of the post.
I think you need to account for geography and schedules in Daylight/Standard preference. I'm in Massachusetts, which is at the eastern edge of our timezone. The spring EST to EDT shift does move our 'clock noon' 55 minutes away from solar noon (12:55 today), but the fall shift takes us from roughtly half an hour off in one direction to half an hour off in the other. Using https://gml.noaa.gov/grad/solcalc/, I can see this is much worse for Washington DC, which ends up with a differential of over an hour, while in Detroit today, solar noon is at 1:43.
The greater strain imposed by Daylight time is no doubt real in the aggragate, but likely more stems from personal and work/school schedules than anything inherent iin what we choose to label "noon." My functional midday is about 4 pm, so for me, standard time just adds annoying light to my sleeping hours, while shifting sunset to before 5 PM. The first is accounted for in the wake up ranges, but the actual sunset depends on both how far to the north you are, and what edge of the zone you're on.
Still, since we probably can't change corporate work schedules, and morning people are (IIRC) more common, even I would be willing to settle for Standard time over the current system.
"finalizing the questions for our monthly Strength In Numbers/Verasight poll tomorrow (comment any late question suggestions here!)," Probably too late. But it would be nice to know about: Ukraine; climate specifics (windmills, charging stations, solar, nuclear, fossil fuels for poser); what people count as "woke" or "socialist" (progressive taxation, bathrooms, types of DEI). MAGA people seem to include almost anything that Democrats want, but many voters make distinctions between various forms of "social conservatism" and "economic conservatism".
I have been designing a survey on different ideologies inside the Democratic Party that will answer this in terms of attitudes Democrats hold, not necessarily in terms of perceptions though. Still useful perhaps?
I would like to discuss this further. It is related to my work. But not in a public forum, so I would need to do it by email: jonathanbaron7@gmail.com
Indiana is divided into two time zones: eastern and central. We are on eastern times, four miles away in the next county, they are on central time, although the county to the south is on eastern time. My county used to stay on standard time year around, and it was wonderful. That changed three Republican governors ago, when everyone was forced to do the DST shift. My body hates the shift, which requires months of adjustment. It is light until 10 in the evening in the summer. Even worse, thanks to Congress messing with it, DST now starts earlier and lasts longer. As Elliott noted, children are going to school in the dark, and more people are driving to work in the dark.
Maybe school and work times should be adjusted rather than changing the clocks.
The outdoor industry (not the camping industry) likes to push DST because they see it as a money-making opportunity, and they contribute to campaigns accordingly.
Elliott- I like the education on how language on wording, can purposely skew numbers to placate a political base.
And on the subject of permanent daylight savings, I say woke ahead. Paul.
Of course. But with DST many of us get to enjoy more of them.
Quintana Roo Mexico moved the clock permanently ahead because it's good for business.
Joseph in Fairport, NY
Here's a polling question that avoids, no eschews, what's really going on.
"John Sides at Good Authority shows Republicans are more likely than ever to say they support having a “strong leader” who “bends the rules” to accomplish his goals"
Trump isn't "bending the rules", he's breaking our laws!
Joseph in Fairport, NY
I HATE Daylight Saving Time!!! Like our hubris when dealing with Nature we think we can just do stuff because it's easy, convenient or simply satisfies our imperial desires!
I suffer for a couple of months when DST hits ... Look at the science fools! We physically damage ourselves by defying circadian rhythms that the entire Universe is functioning on!
We think we can defy the laws of Nature with impunity ... how's that working out for our quality of life and the Planet???
If we changed the time issue, most Americans would still be against it. People just like to complain.
It is International Women's Day here in Germany and we will not go to Daylight Saving's time until Sunday, March 29. So, where I live in Germany will be 6 hours apart for a few weeks, instead of 7.
I cast my ballot for permanent DST. The more hours of daylight, the better!
The number of hours of daylight don’t change.
You know what I meant. Don't be pedantic.
It has to be standard time. DST is a disaster. One of the most ridiculous things any government has ever done. Hours are meant to describe the position of the sun; not an arbitrary number. We evolved with sunlight as our guide. It’s why we have a circadian rhythm. DST throws that biological reality out the window so you can pretend that it’s light out at an arbitrary hour.
CA tried to implement year-round DST (or MST) some years ago, but was prohibited. Anything to gey out of the time changes!
Seconded. Plus, permanent DST was tried in the US in the 1970s and we switched back in less than a year. People forget that marginally more daylight in the evening means darkness in the morning until 9am (or longer).